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nobody wants to be part of as bacari and harry talked about. she was with the family of george floyd. she was with the family of michael brown. she was with the family of breonna taylor. she has been a shoulder for them to lean on. she has been a common force for them, and for all of us. she's one of the original mothers of the movement, and she did not think it robbery. to come down and be with the family of andrew brown. she is the mother of eric garner, the first "i can't breathe" case in staten island, new york before george floyd said i can't breathe.
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now let's welcome the mother of the movement, the mother of eric garner, ms. gwen carr. >> thank you all. i just want to give honor to god, who is first in my life. and i thank you all for standing up for justice. this is what we must do. everybody has to stand for justice. we have to gather like this. i'm tired. i'm tired of coming to these commemorations for black men bein g shot.
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>> but again, i come to stand in solidarity with this family. but too much is too much. we can't even get over the trial of george floyd before there was several other murders. and then we come down here to elizabeth city where they shoot a man in the back. they won't show the video. what are they trying to hide? if he had shot one of those police officers, or if he had even had a fight with those police officers, the video would be all over the nation by now. >> yeah. >> but now they're trying to hide the police face? why. they are the criminals. they say we are armed and dangerous. no, they are the ones who are armed and dangerous, who are taking out lives, they're coming to our communities, abusing and brutalizing our children. >> tell them, gwen. >> they tried to sweep it up under the rug. we must say no more sweeping it
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under the rug. >> no more. >> we want justice, we want accountability. we can't have this keep on happening. and we can't treat it like it's the norm. because there's nothing normal about this. our children are dying. >> yes, ma'am. >> and we have the media, it's another news story to the media. but this is our lives. we have to live this each and every day. as they say all police officers isn't bad, all braclack and bro isn't criminals. we have to treat the situation as it is. and i am so -- i give the family my sympathy and my love and i stand with you, as all of you do, and we have to keep on standing together. we can't go home and just sit on our couch. we have to stay woke, people. thank you so much. >> thank you.
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>> you know, the george floyd people wrote and called us from all over the world saying until we get justice for george floyd, none of us can breathe. i think while we've got miss carr here, we should remind the powers that be that we can't breathe until we get transparency. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. we can't breathe. thank, y'all. we want ms. gwen carr to know we
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still remember her son eric garner never got his day in court and we're still fighting for justice for eric garner as well. >> thank you. >> we've got another update from the county. they said they're getting real close. you all keep the pressure on. keep the pressure on. keep the pressure. >> all right, when i say we're black lives -- what do you do? you say stand up, fight back. >> when black lives are under attack. stand back and fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> when black lives are under attack, what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> what do you do? >> stand up, fight back. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> hands up. >> don't shoot.
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>> hands up. >> don't shoot. >> hands-up. don't shoot. >> guys, we're going to take the family, we will be back. we're getting real close. we'll reconvene after we see this video. say his name. andrew brown. say his name. andrew brown. welcome to "inside politics" you're watching attorneys, family members, friends and supporters of andrew brown. he was a 42-year-old black man killed by police in elizabeth city, north carolina five days ago, the attorneys going inside with members of the family. they are demanding the release of the police body cam footage, they want the body cam footage of the moment andrew brown was killed by sheriff's deputies and of course the circumstances around it. an attorney for the family speaking at that news conference. hay had an appointment 35 minutes ago to see that video. now the police are telling them they need more time because they are editing portions of that video. the families and attorneys demanding the entire video be released. few details have been released
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about the circumstances of the shooting beyond this point beyond the fact it happened last wednesday as deputies say they were trying to serve brown an arrest warrant. we have elie honig, in the case of legal questions here, this family, the attorneys, they have large concerns how this happened. they want the transparency of the tape and answers to their many questions why and how this happened. the immediate concern is they had an appointment and they say the police suddenly said we need more time because we are redacting some of the video. what is the applicable law in this case? >> so north carolina has a fairly unusual state law that really gives law enforcement almost complete discretion about whether and when and how to show this kind of video to a family. this is the law that our colleague at cnn bacari sellers, we heard him criticizing. the law says it's up to law enforcement if they want to show the video to the family. and the family apparently here is not satisfied with what
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they've been offered. they can then go to court. the law also says that in order for video like this to be released publicly, there needs to be a request either from law enforcement, which has not happened so far from north carolina authorities and i think as part of the criticism, or from the public, then it goes to a judge and the judge has essentially complete discretion over whether or not to release this. i think some of the frustration we're seeing from the family and its representatives are this feeling of heplessness because the decision about the video is entirely in the hands of law enforcement and then perhaps secondarily a judge. >> and sergeant dorsey, you hear right there again something we hear too often, a total lack of trust. the family and the attorneys. believing they had an appointment, believing they would get to finally see this video and now they believe they're getting the runaround from the sheriff. >> you know, i mean, this is also cyclical. we go through this over and over again and much like bacari said folks need to get involved and engaged, it's never a problem until it's a problem for you as a family member. that's why it's so important to
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vote for judges, know who's sitting on these benches and who's going to ultimately have control and dominion over whether or not videos do get released by police departments. and so eventually the police department will release it. they'll have an opportunity to see it. it may not be timely and when the family wants. i understand that there's an investigation that's ongoing and they want to be careful about what they release, and make sure that everything that gets released is germane to that encounter and not something else. so i understand both sides. >> you understand both sides. walk me through the law enforcement perspective, the family says we had an appointment and they're saying, essentially, the police had 48 hours. this was scheduled. if they had to do editing and redacting, they should have had plenty of time to do it. from a law enforcement perspective, if you were the sheriff in this case, what should the family and the public get to see, and what might you have a legal right or some investigative reason to say we need to hold that, at least for now? >> well, generally we hear police administrators often say they won't release something
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because of an ongoing investigation, and we now know that the law there allows them to do this very thing and so if they wanted to be transparent, and not perceived as someone who's hiding the ball, so to speak, then they should have given a time that was reasonable for that department to do everything that it needed to do in terms of redacting the video to get it to the family because now they've given them a time certain, and they seem to be putting them off. it makes one ask the question, what are you hiding? >> and for those who might have just joined us at the top of the hour, let's listen to a little it out attorneys making the case here, we want to see this video, and we want to see it now. >> and when we think about what we just saw happen in minneapolis, where derek chauvin being held criminally liable, guilty, guilty, guilty for killing george floyd, is that the reason they're trying to hide the video?
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because they don't want accountability? >> several things there, elie, when you listen to that, a reminder, we are here again, sadly here again and these trust issues may be different from community to community, the circumstances of the case may be different but you have another black man who's been shot and killed by police and now a family that wants answers. the body cam video, obviously, was part of the overwhelming video evidence against former officer derek chauvin, and this case in north carolina happening so soon after you hear mr. crump and, again, i understand the police, both the sheriff will say, no, not the case here but you can certainly understand from the family perspective, you have this video, why can't we? >> yeah, john, i think law enforcement really across the country needs to come to a realization that we're in a new era now and i've been on the receiving end of these requests as sergeant dorsey laid out. you do have to look at these requests and ask, is it going to compromise our investigation? for example, does the video maybe show some other person of
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interest who we're trying to identify and don't want them to know we're looking for them? however, law enforcement overuses that excuse. they always say, oh, it would interfere with our investigation. they need to get with the times. we are at the point where the public expects and really is entitled to transparency and truth, and much more quickly than i think even a couple months or a couple years ago. so i don't think north carolina authorities are doing themselves any favor by slow playing this, or by hiding the ball. they have the power to show that video unredacted to the family right now, and they, meaning law enforcement in north carolina, under the law, can go to the judge, they could have gone to the judge last week, and made that request and that's really the quickest way to get this out if they want to get it out. >> and sergeant dorsey, from your perspective, as someone who has worn the badge and been on both the receiving end at times of criticism, i'm sure from the public, what is the answer here? you heard the attorney saying, the north carolina legislature, should change its policy, you heard bacari sellers an attorney
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in this case who happens to be a colleague, call united states senators, get them to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. how much of this can be legislated and how much of this has to be just a simple fundamental reboot of the trust relationship between police departments and the community? >> well, some of it is absolutely going to require legislation, particularly in that state because we know that the police department doesn't have to release anything without a court order and ultimately that falls in the lap of a judge to determine whether or not what and when it will be released and so part of it is legislation. the other part, though, is just, you know, police departments have to do things differently. listen, we saw in the case of the derek chauvin murder trial how he lied initially to his field supervisor and tried to minimize and downplay the use of force that was exerted on mr. floyd. and we know that officers from time to time will misrepresent, will not minimize and mitigate their behavior, understanding eventually the truth will come out and so this is problematic
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and this is why the trust runs so deep in our communities because we know that these atrocities occur, and it's not until it's seen on video that we even get a modicum of acknowledgment and even then they try to say, well, you know, if you had worn the badge, if you had been on the job, you know, we make split second decisions and you don't understand, and, again, just be very dismissive of our community. so this continues to be problematic and that's why people need to know who's representing them at the heads of these police departments. >> it sounds likely that at least the family will get to see some of this video in the coming minutes if not the coming hours. the family of anthony brown, andrew brown and their attorneys now in, they believe any moment now they will get to see this body cam video, elie honig, appreciate your time. up next, for us a big week for president biden, he's approaching the 100-day mark and he has an enormous speech to the united states congress and the american people.
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this is a big and consequential week for president joe biden. his administration crosses the 100-day mark. the president arrives at this moment having accomplished big chunks of his early agenda, checks in every american's mailbox, a coronavirus campaign to vaccinate americans quickly, and a return to the world stage by offering a foreign policy reset from the trump days, all do qualify as big wins and part of wednesday's speech will include a reminder to americans of these achievements. but the biden to do list is as big as the biden already done list in the next 100 days, bringing enormous challenges. vaccine hesitance could complicate a return to normal. republicans can jam up legislative priorities and there's quibbling over which issues to tackle next.
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how much of this is a victory lap and how much of it is now we must do this? >> equal parts of each. no question about it, the president in his primetime address to the joint session of congress is most certainly going to look back at that .99 days and the crucial accomplishments the administration laid out they wanted to do. many feel they've checked the box, and with vaccines gone even further. you make the point that what he has lined up for the future is big. that's by design. he's already introduced a $2.25 trillion jobs package. during his speech he will lay out the second prong of the package, about $2 trillion in spending, this piece will be what the white house considers human infrastructure, education, health care, paid family medical leave, all big priorities for democrats, all big priorities for the president during his campaign but the question now is how do you get those into law? you don't have 60 votes in the
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u.s. senate. you need at least ten republicans if you want to go the bipartisan route, republicans, when it comes to the human infrastructure piece certainly not on board, based on republicans i've spoken to up to this point. and so the president's goal, i think you will see, is to not just lay out those plans but to sell them, make the pitch for them knowing the legislative battles ahead will be anything but easy. >> anything but easy. appreciate that. and let's go to pennsylvania avenue. up to capitol hill, lauren, it's an ambitious wish list, not saying what has already been passed was easy but this is more difficult. is it not? >> well, that's exactly right, john, look, i think everyone up here on capitol hill on the democratic side was giving the president the benefit of the doubt when it came to covid relief. that is no longer the case. they are moving into a massive infrastructure plan and there are big disagreements right now over whether or not this should be one bill or two bills, whether or not the price tag is an appropriate price tag, there are progressives who want the number to be larger than $4 trillion.
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you have some moderates uncomfortable with the idea of a $4 trillion price tag. there's a lot of ground to try to come and bring members together right now and i think one of the challenges for the president on wednesday is not just selling his plans to the american people, but really selling them to the democratic caucus. you have law members working for decades on issues like the child tax credit. they want to see that permanent. right now the president's plan, we expect, will only have a couple-year extension of the expansion of that child tax credit that was part of the covid relief bill. that's just one of the many sticking points that you're going to see moving forward. then there's the larger issue of how do you pay for this? and you have the president laying out a tax plan to try to pay for that, that's not necessarily going to be where things end up though. a lot of discussion, this is going to be messy over the next couple of months. john? >> messy over the next couple of months. lauren fox on capitol hill, that may be an understatement. appreciate that reporting. let's continue the conversation
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to share insight with kaitlan collins, let me start with you and i want to play a little bit, this is democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia yesterday on cnn, his republican colleague in west virginia has a smaller infrastructure plan. president biden wants to spend too much money. here is a more targeted focus approach. the president needs to keep the democrats together except joe manchin says i like it, listen. >> that's a good start. it really is. and i'm glad they did it. i do think they should be separated. when you put so much into one bill, which we call an omnibus bill. makes it difficult for the public to understand. >> it sounds like you're supporting a smaller package with what you deem traditional infrastructure. >> more targeted. >> the president has let this atmosphere play out because he likes to say i'm trying to be bipartisan but only if republicans come close enough to make a deal worth it. will that approach continue or
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does the president need to say this is what i want, sorry, joe, you've got to do it. >> i also think part of his approach on wednesday night is going to be not just talking about his agenda in front of those republicans in the room but even selling it to his own party. you see comments like that from senator manchin where they are pushing back on some of these ideas rolled up by the white house, at least the size and the scope of these packages, and so i think that is just as much going to be a challenge for the president as he's facing his next 100 days in office. you know, after he's gotten through these first 100 days, passing the coronavirus relief bill he said he was going to pass with only democratic support. i think now, you have to keep in mind, he has such a slim majority for his party in the senate, even in the house. and so that is something they are going to have to wrestle with, which is making sure not necessarily that they're reaching out to republicans, because i think that there are a lot of people in the white house who think they aren't going to get republican support for the efforts they're trying to undertake. thooil re-- they'll reach out t them and shae -- it's also about
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keeping democrats together as well. that's going to be a challenge for him going forward. >> it's a giant challenge on just about every issue. the top of the hour we were listening to another family of another black man trying to get the police to show them body camera video in this case in north carolina, bacari sellers, one of the family's attorneys asking people there in north carolina, anyone watching on television, put pressure on the united states senate to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. listen here, here's a sample. you have a freshman democratic congresswoman who says i need very tough provisions so the police can be sued and a republican senator saying not so fast. listen. >> right now we need to end qualified immunity, period. if you are just and fair in your work, then does qualified -- do you need the qualified immunity anyway? >> qualified immunity is a very big deal. if you want to destroy policing in america, make sure that every cop can be sued when they leave the house. so there's a way to find
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qualified immunity reform, take the cop out of it. >> you know the issue well, you're not going to get a deal on the george floyd justice and policing act unless you get republicans in the senate on that issue of qualified immunity, tim scott, the republican senator said he's confident they can get there. there's that. and a larger issue, when you hear the freshman democrat, corey bush, policing, climate, health care, we can go through a long list of issues where progressives ran on their own agenda, joe biden was always more to the middle than them, and they are now saying, you know, eventually, mr. president, we need some wins for our piece here. >> exactly. i mean the realities of the slim majority is that you've already seen the moderates flex their muscle where you're used to seeing senator joe manchin and be pressure points for the white house. the question, we may see going forward, is how much are progressives willing to flex their muscle in this caucus, also, joe biden at minimum needs to kind of complete democratic
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unity on these issues and that's not just in the targeted appeal to the manchins of the world but that's also in making sure that the progressives on the left are feeling like they are getting heard enough. there's an increasing willingness among progressives to push back against the white house. we saw that with the migrant decision a couple weeks ago and there is a -- after the coronavirus relief package they are growing more confident to say this is what we are demanding of this white house also. i think you're going to be able to see both sides of the kind of democratic party really putting pressure on the white house. the question will be how they thread that line of unity and that's what joe biden has defined his career on, being the midpoint for that democratic party. >> being a midpoint for the democratic party and the rearview mirror for joe biden. kaitlan, that's the challenge going forward. listen to this sample. the house republicans are on a retreat right now. every day we get closer to the midterm elections, things are going to go off into the polar corners. here's two leading republicans
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saying -- we don't see it the bipartisanship. >> when i look at the hyun hundred days, the bait and switch, he's governed as a socialist. >> a couple months ago we were hearing from the newly inaugurated president biden that he was going to unify the country and then we were going to work together and have bipartisanship. i'm still waiting, mr. president. i haven't seen any of that. >> flipside from the white house would be, joe biden won the election. joe biden flipped jae. joe biden flipped arizona. it's incumbent on you to come more toward us but we don't live in that washington. >> no. and it was pretty clear that from day one, given the way joe biden was brought into office and what happened on capitol hill with the insurrection and the storming of it and how those republicans that you just saw there acted in response to that, including kevin mccarthy of course who has made several comments in recent days, deflecting the former
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prepo president's responsibility. brought the question of what the bipartisanship was going to look lick. the white house has invited republicans over to meet about certain proposals, the coronavirus relief bill and you saw those republicans come to the mic and ever since they've had those meetings we have not seen republican lawmakers come to the mikes to speak to reporters after. they're trying to navigate this relationship with the white house while appearing like they are putting forth proposals but the big question is does joe biden get what he wants at the end of the day. some president biden's top aides are saying their new definition of bipartisanship is actually reaching out to republicans across the nation about his plans and getting republican support for these plans, not necessarily republican votes here in washington. >> not here in washington. that's the challenge wednesday night, you're speaking to a joint session of congress but you're really speaking to the audience watching at home. thank you for your reporting and insights. a new wrinkle in the vaccine rollout, worries now, too many
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latest on the coronavirus fight in the united states we are told president biden expected to announce new cdc guidance for wearing masks outdoors. the announcement will come tomorrow. sources telling cnn on the final language of the guidance, the
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covid vaccine supply might soon outpace demand. we'll walk through the numbers and talk about the president's new policy. state by state map, encouraging news, only five states in orange, that means trending in the wrong direction. only five states reporting more covid infections, 17 states in beige holding steady. 27 states in green. fewer new covid infections compared to the data a week ago. from the timeline perspective this is horror of the winter peak. we've come down quite a bit. the seven-day average 58,164 cases. that's still too high but it was above 70,000 a few weeks bag, it's down quite a bit over the course of the past two weeks, progress from that perspective, though the case count is still too high. right now, more than 94 million americans, almost 95 million americans are fully vaccinated. on this map, you want your state to be the deeper green, the better, 34%, 33% in alaska, you see 35% up here in maine, 32% in south dakota, the states lagging tend to be in the southeast, 22,
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21 and 20 across alabama and georgia. states fully vaccinating their people. the pace has slowed some. some of this is access and some is hesitancy. 2.7 million vaccine doses per day is the current average. above 3 million if we were having this conversation a week or so ago. the pace has slowed a bit. which vaccines are americans getting? of the people fully vaccinated, most pfizer, moderna second, 8 million people the johnson & johnson vaccine. remember the johnson & johnson vaccine was paused for about ten days on the market, which is part of one of the issues now. johnson & johnson is one shot. it is back on the market. pfizer and moderna require two shots. the numbers, back in march, 3.4% of americans were not showing up for the second shot. that percentage is up to eight, 8% of americans who need a second shot, not she up up for the appointment to get it. this is andy slavitt saying
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think again, folks, crow need the second shot for your safety. >> 92% is not bad. but i want that other 8% to realize, one thing, that the longevity of the vaccine is much stronger when you've had two doses. so you may find yourself with two doses being able to have an immunity for a quite a long time but with one dose we know that's not the case so it's very important, even though you get some response, that you keep -- you get your second dose and that will give you a long lasting response. >> let's bring into the conversation dr. kevin alt a member of the cdc's advisory committee on immunization practices. doctor, good to see you again, follow up on what mr. slavitt, 8% of americans are not showing up for the second appointment, hesitancy, people are busy, they just think the one shot is enough and how important is it to get that second shot? >> well, i'm sure it's a combination of a lot of the things you just mentioned, also,
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you get a very sore arm from these vaccines and so that probably deters people from coming. i agree with what mr. slavitt said, basically, and that's a very classic strategy for vaccine development. we call that prime boost. you get exposed to the antigens or the proteins in the vaccine with the first dose. then the immune response becomes much stronger with the second dose. so yes, that's a classic vaccine strategy. >> one way, especially in rural america, places that are hard to reach or people are skeptical, to use the j&j vaccine, which is one dose. polling numbers, are you willing to get a johnson & johnson vaccine? among these unvaccinated u.s. adults, 22% are willing, but 73% right now say they are not willing. i assume a lot of that, dr. ault is because there was the pause and safety concerns. number one, tell people, anyone who's watching, answer the question, is the j&j vaccine safe and how would you try to address that skepticism?
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>> well, i think we need to be very transparent about the risk and benefits of this particular vaccine. a lot of that information's going to come out today and tomorrow from the cdc, communicate that very well to local health departments as well as, you know, physicians and patients. so the side effect that we've found that tss, as we're calling it, tts, as we're calling it, is pretty rare, it's 2 to 12 per million doses and it kind of clustered in younger women, women in their 30s. and so certainly if you're not in one of those risk groups you're down to a very low risk as i said two in a million doses and so, you know, you need to have that conversation and kind of weigh the risk and benefits for every person. but there are some populations that would certainly benefit from that one dose schedule that we have for the j&j vaccine. we talked about that quite a bit on friday when we met. >> when you look now, i'm going
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to bring back numbers here real quick, this is just the vaccination map, 95 million americans almost vaccinated, many states above 30%, a third of the population or more, other states coming in, we're going to hear from the president tomorrow, dr. ault, new cdc recommendations whether you should still be wearing a mask if you're outdoors, especially if you're vaccinated. where would you draw that line? i've had both shots. should i still wear a mask when i'm outdoors? should somebody who has not been vaccinated wear a mask outdoors? what should the policy be? >> well, i'll be interested to hear what the president says as well, but, you know, the risk of getting infected after having two doses of the vaccine are quite low, and the risk of getting infected outdoors are quite low. so if you come up with those two combinations and we may be at a point where we can do that, safely, you know, we are a data driven committee when we're on these cdc add vvisory committee. i'd be curious to see the data as well. >> data driven is critical, it should be priority one, priority
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two and priority three. how much does psychology come into decisions like this, when committees are meeting, when you have the data, if the data leans you in a direction, people want a sense of normalcy, how important is that? >> well, i mean, i think the public messaging from the cdc and the president has been clear, there's hope, but not time to relax. and so, you know, we need to keep up with vaccination, and we need to keep up with the other things that we know that work, including wearing a mask. >> dr. ault, grateful as always for your time and we'll watch and see what we get from the president tomorrow on that question. up next for us, the president at the 100-day mark, several significant promises kept and an ambitious to do list for the second hundred days. with ww, nothings off limits. you can indulge and still lose weight. just when you thought pizza couldn't get any better. ww. weight watchers reimagined. join today for just $10 a month! ends april 26th! - [announcer] welcome to intelligent indoor grilling with the ninja foodi smart xl grill.
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president biden's big speech to congress and the american people wednesday night is part 100-day victory lap and part sales pitch for the next hundred days. we approaches with an approval rating higher than donald trump had at this point, averaging recent polls, shows 55% of americans approve of how mr. biden is handling the presidency but several big tests ahead, issues ranging from police reform and infrastructure, to expensive new white house proposals, education and other democratic priorities. we have maggie haberman from the "new york times," great to see you, looking for help. i was thinking about this over the weekend and how do we characterize this president's 100-day mark, his polling is --
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president bush and president obama were in the 60s. what is the right test for joe biden at 100 days? >> it's an interesting question, john. i think that the right test, frankly, for the first hundred days is how he's handling the pandemic and getting the stimulus passed. the major accomplishment, it's what he ran on in large part throughout 2020 and those are the benchmarks they're judging themselves by. he faces a lot of big tests. i do think your point that less polarized times produced presidents with higher approval ratings in their first hundred days, we are in a different era, and as years have gone on, the country has become more polarized, certainly the end of the donald trump presidency added to that. so i think that, look, he has -- i think some of the desires to compare him, historically, to fdr, or to lbj, or to figure out where he fits in terms of legacy, i think it's a little early because he is still only
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on day 99. or day 98. but i do think that he has accomplished a great deal and i think that there are reasons that they have to be able to point to accomplishments, especially as he's delivering this joint address, sort of late in the first hundred days in the presidency. >> it is interesting that it is late. part of that is the pandemic but part of it is strategic. i want to read you a little bit from a take of jonathan shade in new york magazine. biden advantage is he's not just nice, also tedious. relentless in enacting an ambitious economic agenda. expanding obamacare and injecting the economy with a stimulus more than twice the size of what obama's congress passed in 2009 while arousing hardly any kroefrs. there's nothing in biden's vanilla ace ice cream -- republicans can't stop biden because he's boring them to death. he has steered him -- he has kept himself personally out of
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the ideological dust-ups to his benefit. >> no question, john and he's flummoxing them, you're seeing a major controversy, quote/unquote, that's entirely manufactured about some claim that joe biden had said something he didn't say restricting, suggesting americans restrict their meat consumption. this has consumed republican twitterverse for the last couple days, it's entirely not true and it speaks to how hard it has been for republicans to define him and to make him scary. i think that biden has had the advantage of watching republican lawmakers decline to work with president obama and his administration he served as vice president. i think they took lessons from that, they took lessons from watching what happened during the trump years. i also think that biden is not needy in the way that previous presidents certainly, donald trump needed a lot of attention as we know, he is not the only president who ever did but he practiced it in the extreme. but presidents historically liked to put their imprints out
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there publicly, that's just not what joe biden does or what he has been doing, and i do think that this has been to his benefit. >> interesting perspective, i agree completely. the republicans also have to make their calculations of the hundred days, he's flummoxed them, great word. house republicans are in a retreat. one of the big debates in the party is what role for donald trump and what role for trumpism as the party goes on and we'll watch this play out in the midterm elections and then into 2024. but yesterday, kevin mccarthy, the house republican leader, was on fox news sunday and chris wallace was pressing him firmly about insurrection day and his conversation with then president donald trump. listen to this. >> when i talked to president trump about it, i was the first person to contact him when the riots was going on. he ended the call, saying telling me he'll put something out to make sure to stop this. he put a video out later. >> quite a lot later. and it was a pretty weak video. but i'm asking you specifically, did he say to you, i guess some
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people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no, listen, my conversations with the president are my conversations with the president. >> his conversation with chris wallace was i'm going to be quasi-polite, not trying to rewrite history. >> john, at minimum he is trying to rewrite history, save himself from having to answer a question that poses a problem for him in terms of his own political ambitions, not just holding the caucus, or holding the caucus together, trying to retake the majority and then become speaker, which is what kevin mccarthy wants. but that is just not what any of the reporting was in realtime. it is certainly not the reporting we have heard about that conversation that he had with former president trump and he is trying very hard not to answer the question. my reporting, kaitlan collins' reporting, a lot of people's reporting from that day was former president trump was watching television, was pleased to see the disruption of the certification of the vote. mccarthy is alighting it quite a bit. and that video, as chris wallace pointed out, during that video former president trump told the
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rioters that you are very special, we love you, that was not rejecting what they were doing. >> it was not rejecting at all. maggie haberman, great to see you, appreciate the reporting and insights as we walk through this important week in washington. next up, an important day in the supreme court, the justice taking on several big issues, including a second amendment case. drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service you can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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big news out of the supreme court today the justice is announcing they will take on a major gun rights case next term, the court will hear a challenge to a new york state law that restricts people from carrying concealed hand kbuns in public. it is the first time in more than a decade that the high court will rule on a significant case relating to the second amendment. our legal analyst jonins me now. this is a big deal. >> it is, john, good afternoon. it's not since 2008 when the supreme court first declared an individual right to own firearms that they've weighed in in such a big way. and it's not just more than a decade, it comes at a time of these mass shootings increasing and a lot of concern among public officials about, you know, increasing firearms regulations but this case gives the supreme court a chance to actually give gun owners more freedom, the 2008 case i
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mentioned involved ownership of a gun for self-defense in the home. and the justices have not made clear, since then, what kind of right exists outside of the home. and the petitioners in this case really stress that it's time for the justices to say what kinds of rights people have for self-defense beyond the home. now, for years the court has sidestepped that question, and it's the addition of justice amy coney barrett that likely led to the court finally saying we're going to hear it. she is someone who has supported gun rights. she warned against the second amendment being a second class right. and i think the other conservatives feel like with her on the bench there's a chance they could actually enhance the scope of the second amendment at this time, john. >> that will be a fascinating case to watch. and among the other cases, there's arguments coming up this week, a case that involves snapchat, a cheer leader and the
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first amendment. walk me through that one. >> this is a young woman who didn't get on the cheer leading squad. she wanted to reach, and put a picture up on snapchat that involved her middle finger. and the question there for the justice is, has to do with, you know, free speech rights of students, high school students, off campus, you know, and that's a really big important question because, you know, with today's social media and going beyond campuses, that's one that they'll weigh on and then that's on wednesday rg john and then on thursday the court will be back in with opinions and as you know we're waiting for major rulings on the fate of the affordable care act, on religious freedom, on voting rights out of arizona. so the justices have a big spring coming up, including with that major first amendment case involving students and student free speech rights on wednesday. >> fascinating time for this interesting new court.
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joan, dpgrateful for your insigs today. thanks for your time, see you back here tomorrow, ana cabrera picks up our coverage right now. ♪ hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york, breaking news, cnn has just obtained the death certificate of andrew brown jr., the black man shot and killed by sheriff's deputies in north carolina. it says brown died of a result of a, quote, penetrating gunshot wound to the head and died within minutes of being shot. the certificate calls brown's death a homicide, saying brown was shot by others. this comes as calls for the police body cam footage grow louder. attorneys for the brown family spoke just moments ago at a press conference. >> i was told by the district attorney -- i was told by the district attorney that the family would get to see the raw footage, not the

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